August 9, 2008
Meeting Summary
East Eaton Wash Neighborhood Association
Preparation
E-mail reminder. Non e-mail
phone list was phoned.
Acknowledgments
Susan brought some cake/bread.
Attendees
9 members
Meeting
Agenda Items:
- Ice Rink Design Commission Hearing
- Ice Rink and Kings/Polar Ice Ventures
- Ice Rink Construction Route
- Avocado landscaping
- Edison land weeds
- Viña Vieja Park update
- Grapevines
- Pedestrian entrance
- Over watering
- Dog issues
- Parks staff
- Street robbery
- Attempted burglary
- Water Shortage Plan II
- 212 condo development on SE corner of Sierra Madre Villa and
Foothill
- Urgent Care Center
- Mt Wilson toll road repair
- East Pasadena Post Office
- Bowling Alley
- Marathon
- Parking Enforcement
- Household Hazardous and E-Waste collection on August 16
- anything
else attendees wish to discuss
The meeting began at 11:18 am
- Ice Rink Design Commission Hearing
- Monday August 11, 6 pm, Pasadena Senior Center (corner of Holly
and Raymond)
- Staff
Report, (no attachments provided)
- Unofficial
and unapproved slide presentation on city website
- Commission will be presented with changes made to previous
design to save on construction costs
- New design involves using concrete block for walls all the way
to the roof. Although heavier, the load is spread out more.
Saves on
steel, which is said to be costliest item.
- East wall is moved back out so there is again room for
spectator seating inside atop the locker rooms.
- Now using "storefront" glazing systems for building entrance
and north and south walls. Presumably this is less expensive then
the
things they were using before.
- The blocks used for the walls are described as "black
smooth-face concrete block (8x8x16)"
- East side still has green screen trellises, but they now come
closer to the ground. Trumpet vines are supposed to grow up on
them.
- Between the trellises on the east side are what are described
as "Polygal window boxes". Polygal is described as "a solar-grade
polycarbonate multi-wall system mostly used for glazing in sports
arenas and in industrial and agricultural buildings". The area
below
the window boxes is "highlighted with a different concrete block
material (split-face) and a band of random groupings of glass block."
- The west side has been simplified to have no windows, just the
mechanical screen.
- There is still a "tower" (previously called parapet) over the
entrance. It is to have smooth stucco painted a brick accent
color,
matching some projections on the north and south faces of the building.
- Landscaping is described as "native plant palette".
Chinese
flame trees and Australian willows throughout the parking lot.
Additional coast live oak on the west side.
- Shrubs are mentioned as providing a green screen for residences
to the west, but no landscaping at all is described for the east.
Will
have to wait for the meeting to see attachments to see whether
everything east of the building, including the access road, is still
being withheld from any public scrutiny.
- Main sign is still over the entrance on east side of
building.
Looks pretty much the same. It is not lighted, but lighting will
be
visible from windows behind it at night.
- Although building footprint is supposedly the same, it is now
being described as 500 feet long instead of 450.
- Commission only gets to make recommendations, not approval or
disapproval.
- Ice Rink and Kings/Polar Ice Ventures
- In March and June meetings with ice rink agenda items there
were indications by Council members and the City Manager that a
partner/partners were being looked for/discussed for filling the gap in
financing for the ice
rink project. Nothing has been discussed publicly, but this item
appeared on the August 4 City Council Closed Session agenda:
- CITY COUNCIL CONFERENCE WITH REAL PROPERTY NEGOTIATORS
pursuant to Government Code Section 54956.8
Properties: 3026 East Orange Grove Boulevard, Pasadena, CA; 3005 East
Foothill Boulevard, Pasadena, CA
Agency negotiators: Bernard K. Melekian; Richard J. Bruckner
Negotiating party: Los Angeles Kings in partnership with Polar Ice
Ventures, LLC (PIV)
Under negotiation: Terms of payment
- Ice Rink Construction Route
- This has still not been resolved.
- City staff seems to have resigned itself to building a
temporary road through the east side of the park to Orange Grove, with
all the resulting extra disruption and large extra costs.
- Vice-Mayor (Councilman) Haderlein is trying to find a way to
work with PCC to allow the construction traffic go south to Foothill
using take the same route that operational ice rink vehicle traffic is
to take. PCC is of course concerned about safety of students
parking
in their lot (although there are relatively few during weekdays).
But
traffic safety measures with flagmen or whatever should be much easier
there then through the park past dogs and children and on Orange Grove.
- Haderlein is meeting with PCC President Dr Perfumo and with
Director Dr. Mann in late August.
- Avocado landscaping
- Rhonda Stone says Vice-Mayor Haderlein is very aware of the
lousy state of the west side of Avocado and is intent on at least
getting landscaping if not also curb and gutter.
- Edison land weeds
- Edison apparently only expects to cut down weeds in its
right-of-way twice a year. Once after the winter rains are
finished
and once before the fall fire season. The city has given notice
that
they must be cut now or the citation process will begin. There
reportedly are some discussions of the city taking over maintenance of
at least some of the right-of-way through Pasadena. If that were
to
happen the weeds could be cut more frequently and some of those plants
that stay green could be allowed to grow instead of mowing everything
down indiscriminately.
- Viña Vieja Park update
- Grapevines
- On July 15 the grape vines on the outside of the northern
fence
of the off least
dog area appeared to have been pulled off of the fence and
trampled. It turns out it was done by city staff. As was the
severe cut back in May. Supposedly the person who did the job in
July
was not supposed to cut it back so severely - to just stumps. It
appears most will survive, but maybe not all.
- It seems this repeated whacking was in response to complaints
by somebody involved with POOCH that grapes can be toxic to dogs.
Some
research by a city staffer found that if a dog is fed large amounts of
grapes it may suffer kidney failure. Ignoring the fact that
dogs are
highly unlikely to eat any grapes on their own, much less spend their
time at the dog park grazing on them.
- Councilman Haderlein and his field rep Rhonda Stone have
pursued this with city staff. They have received promises that
the
vines will not be massacred any more, rather only carefully trimmed on
the inside of the dog park fence. City staff will also be looking
into
whether some kind of separate trellis can be installed for the vines to
grow on as much as they like.
- Pedestrian entrance
- Decisions about relocation of the pedestrian entrance
continue to await resolution of the ice rink construction route and
agreements with Edison.
- Meanwhile the current temporary path continues to deteriorate
badly. Deep ruts and cliffs prevent use by the usual
assistive
wheeled devices such as strollers, walkers, wheelchairs.
- The proposed ice rink building would literally be on top of
the current temporary path, so it has to be moved prior to construction.
- A construction through the park would greatly complicate
locating and using a path during construction of the rinks.
- Edison is again indicating that the wires are too low for
direct pedestrian access into the south-east corner of the park from
Avocado near Las Lunas. They have indicated some
agreeability to
raising the wires as part of the wind farm transmission upgrade project
that will add another circuit, but that is still several years
away.
- Two alternatives have been discussed for an interim access
from Avocado near Las Lunas.
- One would turn north immediately on this side of the wires
entering the park where the white fence currently crosses under the
wires. The primary issue with this is security - visibility
onto the
path from the park and neighborhood. The current opaque white
fence
prevents visibility from the park and much of the path would be behind
the backyards of the houses on Avocado and therefore not readily
visible to the neighborhood either. Any fencing would need
to not
block visibility. The fence that goes along the backyards through
the
park would be extended to Las Lunas. A question arises as
to whether
such a path would be wide enough to not be claustrophobic and avoid the
penned in feeling of the current path through the PCC lot.
- Another alternative that has been discussed is to put some
kind of protective structure over and around a path going directly
under the wires to the park. This seems much more vague and
unlikely.
- The only other interim access alternative would be to come in
off Avocado somewhere south of where the wires are high enough again -
likely south of Del Vina. But anything this far south would have
conflicts with use of that area for construction staging of the ice
rink project.
- Over watering
- The park is indeed over watered in many areas resulting in
standing water for hours around the rocks near the restroom, paths with
deep slippery mud on the east side, run off through the parking lot and
out the pedestrian entrance further damaging the path.
- No responses have been received
- Dog issues
- The Pasadena Humane Society has promised to try to do better
and to
come if called. They have lots of territory to cover.
- Parks staff
- The head of the Parks and Rec department, and Todd Holmes,
the landscape architect, have left the city.
- Ice Rink pedestrian entrance?
- The question is whether our neighborhood wants to have a
separate pedestrian entrance for the ice rink if the park pedestrian
entrance is moved so it goes directly to the park. Presumably
such a pedestrian entrance for the ice rink would be at Alameda where
the current park pedestrian entrance is.
- Consensus so far is that we do not want a second pedestrian
entrance for the ice rink. That access via the park pedestrian
entrance to the park and then to the rinks would be sufficient for the
relatively infrequent neighborhood pedestrian usage of the rinks.
That will allow focus on only one entrance for issues that arise due to
unintended usage.
- Street robbery
- On Tuesday July 15 around noon there was an incident on Del
Vina east of Santa Paula.
- A man walking one way on Del Vina claimed to have been robbed
of his wallet at gunpoint by a man walking in the opposite
direction.
- The
victim did not apparently have any reason for being where he was and
the officer seemed skeptical of his story. The alleged assailant
had
been observed walking down the street by others, but the robbery was
not.
- Although 911 was called and police responded very quickly, the
alleged assailant was not found.
- Attempted burglary
- On July 24, corner Avocado and Las Lunas, attempted
break-in. Appeared to have used car dent puller type of device on
deadbolt. Unsuccessful.
- Water Shortage Plan II
- The city is preparing to implement mandatory water usage
restrictions. Apparently the current voluntary plan isn't coming
anywhere near meeting even the 10% reduction goal.
- On Monday's Council Agenda item
5D1 contains a recommendation to adjust the current ordinances.
- The change with the most potential to affect us is changing the
landscape watering restriction from the current 10 am to 5 pm to no
watering from 8 am to 7 pm. For those with automated
systems this
shouldn't matter, but for those who don't this will force doing so in
the dark in the fall. It may also backfire with more people
forgetting/falling asleep and leaving the sprinkler going.
- They are also to talk about setting a hearing to discuss
penalty fines.
- 212 condo development on SE corner of Sierra Madre Villa and
Foothill
- Design Commission concept review hearing now scheduled for
August 25, 2008
- Described as "New construction of a four-story, 212-unit
residential component (with two levels of subterranean parking) and
adaptive use of a portion of the former Stuart Pharmaceutical Building
as a 350-seat live theater."
- Urgent Care Center
- On Monday's Council Agenda is an item
for the council to approve spending an initial half million dollars for
design work on an Urgent Care Center at 3160 East Del Mar Blvd.
This
is a parcel of land that the city already owns. It is east of
Eaton
Blanch Park, west of the Edison right of way, south of the intersection
with Kinneloa.
- First phase of the project is renovating the existing 10,092 sq
ft building to accommodate an Urgent Care Center to be operated by the
Huntington Medical Foundation and CHAP (Community Health Alliance of
Pasadena). This phase is expected to cost $3.75 million.
- Second phase of the project is building new buildings for
a
public safety training facility and a fire training center. This
is
expected to cost another $7.35 million.
- The adjacent neighborhoods have opposed the Urgent Care Center
usage, primarily due to traffic concerns, but have been ignored.
The
city identified the site because they were looking for a place in East
Pasadena and already owning the parcel saves a lot of cost.
- Mt Wilson toll road repair
- the toll road starts at Eaton Canyon and goes to Henninger
Flats and on to Mt. Wilson
- In the early part of last century it was used by regular people
in passenger cars which paid a toll
- Since 1940, vehicle use has been primarily by the county
consolidated fire protection district. But hiking and bike use
was heavy until it was blocked.
- Damaged in 9 locations by heavy rain in winter 2004-2005.
- Four of the slide locations are within Pasadena
- City has two grants for repairs from FEMA totaling just under
$1.5 million
- City is turning grant money over to fire protection district to
make the repairs
- repair work hoped to begin October 1, 2008, but FEMA has
to approve the repair work plan first
- East Pasadena Post Office
- As of today, August 9, the Postal Service is moving all the
delivery operations (where the carriers sort their mail and come and go
from) from our local office on east Colorado to the office across town
on Lincoln.
- The change is supposed to be transparent to customers.
Carriers and their routes are unchanged.
- Apparently they have extra space on Lincoln because they moved
all the mail processing to Santa Clarita a while back.
- Their press release says gas is costing a lot more now and this
will save money by being more efficient. (Have to wonder if they
factored in all the delivery vehicles having to go back and forth
across town.)
- The office on Colorado will remain open for now providing
retail and P.O. box service for the 91107 area code. They are
looking
for a smaller location in the area to move those services to.
- Bowling Alley
- Conditional Use Permit hearing on August 20 at 6 pm at the
Permit Center hearing room.
- "Bahama Lanes" is to be renamed "300 Pasadena".
- Proposing to
- Wall off 6 lanes to create a bowling area for special events,
reduce the total number of lanes from 32 to 31, remove interior walls
from restaurant and bar area.
- Replace the current 22 ft sign on Foothill with an eight foot
monument sign.
- Requesting CUPs to
- Modify the interior space
- Cover alcohol sales as they already are (a CUP wasn't needed
back when they were instituted but because of the interior wall changes
they have to conform to new codes).
- Cover shared parking agreements they have long had with
adjacent businesses
- Sign exception (because it is the third freestanding sign on
the property where only one is allowed. The others are for other
businesses.)
- Sign exception to be closer to the driveway then the now
normally required 10 feet.
- Marathon
- The course for the 5K and Community Run/Walk uses the first 2.5
K of all the other courses. It starts at PCC on Colorado, goes
south
on Hill to Del Mar, west on Del Mar to Wilson, south on Wilson to
California, west on California to Lake, south on Lake a short distance,
then turns around and returns the way it came, finishing at PCC.
- Parking Enforcement
- The city ended up rejecting all bids for a new parking
enforcement contract and extended its contract with the previous
contractor for another year to allow time to better work out the city's
requirements, rebid the contract, and provide time for a potential new
contractor to get up to speed.
- Household Hazardous and E-Waste collection on August 16
- 9 am - 3 pm, Gate 6, Santa Anita racetrack parking lot,
Arcadia
- 9 am - 2 pm, Mariposa
Parking Lot, Mariposa Ave.
just west of Baldwin Ave., Sierra Madre.
- anything else attendees wish to discuss
- What people go to Avocado to do and the messes they leave
behind. Ideas for discouraging that behavior.
- Parking lot of former Pacific Theater now completely fenced
off. Why? No news of any development plans. Can only
speculate its because there were lots of problems with vandalism and
vagrants and perhaps they got liability concerns when they realized how
it was used as a shortcut by so many people. Wondering how
adjacent office building that officially used that lot as part of its
required parking is being accomodated now.
- Why Kaiser put sign on their new building and then covered it
up? Speculation was that they were afraid people would see the
sign and come there for services before it opens. Why the parking
lot there was full recently even though not open yet? Don't
know. Maybe employee familiarization.
Next meeting is September 13, 2008.
Adjourned about 12:30 pm