Community Meeting about Ice Rink
January 3, 2007, 6:30 pm
Victory Park Gymnasium
This meeting was organized and led by Segun Abegunrin, Capital
Projects Administrator in the city's Department of Public Works.
Assisting with presentation materials was Carlos, an assistant of the
architect hired by the city to design the project.
A notice of the meeting was sent by the Public Works department to
residents of East Eaton Wash and Daisy Villa neighborhoods.
Those letters arrived about December 28.
Additional notice was provided via an upcoming meetings item in
Councilman Haderlein's newsletter, which arrived about December
27. Further, flyers were distributed to most houses in
the East Eaton Wash neighborhood over the New Year's holiday weekend.
There appeared to be about 3 dozen attendees, mostly from our
East Eaton Wash neighborhood.
There were no surprises in the general description of the
facility. 62,000 square feet. Two NHL sized ice surfaces,
situated so the short dimension is east-west and the long dimension is
north-south. One rink is on the north side of the building, one
on the south side of the building, with lobby, party room, community
room, skate rental, snack shop, ticket booth in a section between them. North rink is
expected to be used primarily for recreational skating while south rink
is expected to be used primarily by hockey leagues. Spectator
seats and locker rooms are on the east side of each rink. 143
free parking spaces. "Planned access into site" from Foothill via
PCC
parking lot. 20 foot wide fire lane access road on east
side of building. Outside lights directed downward so as not to
disturb the neighbors. Shrubbery landscaping on west and east
sides of parking lot and access road to buffer neighborhoods from
vehicle reflections, headlights, sounds. Mechanical room is in
the middle of west side of building. Noise will be contained so
it won't bother the neighborhood. Roof equipment will not be
substantial and will be on vibration isolators. Building is
designed to take advantage of natural light and conserve energy.
Changes from the previously
presented plan are:
- spectator
seats
- 325
instead of 500 spectator seats, more evenly distributed - 175 seats for
the north rink and 150 for the south rink.
- spectator
area will be lower, closer to rink level then then the previous
plan. Diagram appeared to say they would be on platforms six feet
above ice surface.
- spectator
seat sections will be located discontinuous with one another, situated
between areas for locker rooms/offices
- roof
- flat
instead of sections of alternating height
- skylights
in flat roof
- after
meeting, question was asked why not solar panels? Answer was it
was considered but benefit was insufficient.
- walls
- east
face has vertical buttresses in the top third or so. On the
drawing the looked kind of like I-beams sticking out (like those silly
useless horizontal I-beams on the building facades in the Best Buy etc.
development). But mention was made more than once that plants
would be growing on them. Not clear how.
- bottom
of east face is concrete block. In about the middle third there are
windows overlooking the rinks.
- In one
drawing there was an electronic marquee above the entrance. In
others there was a big ugly passive sign.
- west
side was described as having a "shrubbery visual screen". On the
drawing it kind of looked like a vertically hung fabric above and
behind the
existing oak trees. Something was said about a material that
plants would grow on.
- height
- most of
the building is about 33 feet high
- over the
entrance, in the middle of the building, is a "sign element" which is
about 50 feet high. In some drawings it looked like a triangle of
I-beams sticking out of the roof, in another it looked like a rectangle
of I-beams.
- schedule
- Projected
opening is now June 1, 2009.
- Additional
18 months from schedule stated last July include the 6 month slip to
this point, additional building time because of realization of need for
more difficult footings, and addition of float in project schedule for
unknowns including potential problems with methane that could require
dealing with AQMD (air quality management district), delay in agreement
for access route, requested changes by Design Commission or City
Council.
Other bits of
information:
Access route
Confirmed there is no
agreement with PCC yet.
Hope to have an
agreement completed by end of spring. (Under the Conditional Use
Permit, building & grading permits can't be issued until they have
a signed agreement.)
There were lots of questions about exactly where the access route will
be. Mr. Abegunrin admitted his diagram did not show enough
detail. But he does not want to provide such a detailed document
yet since there is not yet an agreement with PCC.
There are no current plan for vehicular access from Avocado Ave. or
from
Viña Vieja Park.
Mr. Abegunrin added to the confusion by saying that people were
confused because of the portion of the planned access route described
as being on "Alameda Street". Not the improved Alameda Street we
know, which ends at Avocado Ave, but a portion also described in
the city database as "Alameda Street" which is an easement across the
Edison land at the north end of PCC's parking lot.
Pedestrian path
to Viña Vieja Park
There
was a long series of questions and unclear answers regarding whether or
not there will be a pedestrian path and what route it will take and
whether there will be pedestrian access to the ice rink facility from
our area and/or to/from the park.
Mr. Abegunrin correctly stated that the current path location is
temporary, but the Conditional Use Permit for the ice rink requires
that there be path to the park throughout construction of the
rinks. Where exactly the path will run depends on the results of
negotiations with Edison. After they have agreement with Edison,
they'll let us know what they are going to do.
Initially in response to the pedestrian path from our area question he
indicated that people could walk on the sidewalk of the ice rink
facility over into the park.
The response on pedestrian access between the park and operating rink
facility was confusing. At one point he said there would be a
path between the park and ice rink with bollards to prevent vehicle
access (except emergency vehicles) but allow pedestrians. But a
couple other times he said something about they could not stop people
from going around the fencing on the west (wash) side. At
another point he said he expected there would be a gate which would be
locked when the park is closed (as now) - not clear where.
Perhaps he was talking about going around fencing to the west in
reference to after hours when a gate is locked.
Signage
Hoping to get
Caltrans to put directional sign on freeway.
Hoping to
arrange with PCC for inclusion on its marquee sign.
Signs on
building would not be visible off-site, so do not expect there is
reason for them to be lighted.
Spectator seating
Reason for change in
spectator seating is to save on construction costs. Previously
the seats were to be above the locker rooms and offices. Now, the
main interior of the building does not extend the full depth of the
locker rooms and offices. This allows the roof trusses to be
shorter and thus less expensive. Think he also said it reduced
the cost (required depth?) of the building footings.
Questions were
raised by a couple of ice rink familiar attendees about how well the
revised spectator arrangement would work. Reduced spectator
visibility. Answer was that of course it wasn't the best, but
expected revenues could not support previous plan. Reduced
seating would not substantially reduce revenues because only 2 to 4
special events might have made use of the additional seating.
Meanwhile, the reduced building volume would reduce energy use and thus
operating cost.
There was also something about extra spectators being accomodated by
standing or sitting on chairs outside the building on top of the roof
of the locker rooms/offices, looking in the windows to watch what was
happening on the ice. Really unclear on this aspect.
Available drawings were insufficient.
Building
foundation
"Loose soil
condition" requires footings extending down 15 feet. Also issues
of the location near the slope down to the wash and not wanting to
disturb the existing oak trees. There is also the potential for a
"methane condition" being discovered once digging is underway, which
could require special handling.
Utility
connections
Another
contributor to costs is that the average utility connection for the
facility is 475 feet. Electricity has to come from Orange Grove
because the adjacent substation does not have the needed
capacity. (Trenching under dog park, or possibly to the west of
the park via trench or above ground concrete conduit.) Water has
to come from Orange Grove, Avocado, or Foothill. Sewer is
expected to be connected to Alameda Street sewer line, which is
expected to be upgraded.
Security
Ice
rink operator is responsible for security of the building and parking
lot. There is no expectation the facility will be a attractive
nuisance so there are no plans for extra area security by the police.
Alcohol sales?
Mr. Abegunrin did not
know for sure but did not think so. Some attendees said existing
Pasadena facility does not sell alcohol and recreational facilities
usually do not because of liability issues. (Previously we have been
told absolutely not.)
Web site?
Will the city put the
plans, schedule, and progress reports on their web site? Mr.
Abegunrin thought that it should be possible to put plans on web site,
but not until after they are
all approved and contractor is selected.
Solar power
After the meeting a
question was raised about whether solar panels had been considered for
the big flat roof to offset some of the power demands of the
facility. Answer was that the available space between skylights
would provide only a small fraction of the power needed and the
cost/benefit tradeoffs showed they were better off getting a power cost
reduction for energy savings.
Next
steps
Design
Commission hearing on Monday January 8, 2007 at 6 pm at Conference
Center room 212. A site visit preceeds it at 5 pm. The
Design
Commission deals with aesthetics of the building exterior including
building shape, materials, landscaping. The Design
Commission makes a recommendation to the City Council, which makes the
final decision.
Hope to finish construction documents in the spring of 2007 and then
have them reviewed by an independent party.
Then the construction would be put out to bid. If qualified
bidders provide bids within the projected budget, then construction
could begin during the summer.
After construction completes, the ice plant has a commissioning process
that takes one to two months, the ice rink operator has to move in, etc.
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